1986 Polaris Sprint 340

mercredi 13 décembre 2017

I got this sled last year for free , it wasn't running when I got it , I put new gas lines on it and it started after awhile of priming and pulling . Last night I took it out for the first time this season and it started off very slowly but once it got going it seemed to have no issues , when I got it , it had been sitting outside for about fifteen years and had bad oil and gas , the first time I ran it it seemed like the oil reservoir wasn't emptying at all , turns out it wasn't I ran it for about ten hours last year and the reservoir never seemed to go down , so now I have cut the oil line and I am just mixing oil and gas which seems to be working . My question is , is there anything I should adjust/clean to make sure it is ready for this season . I am new to the snowmobile world but I have some experience repairing ATVs , dirt bike and our sxs . I am planning to get a new belt soon so is there anything other than that , that I could do to improve the performance of the sled , thanks in advance


1986 Polaris Sprint 340

Indy 440 XCR Special Idle and Rich Running Issues

I have a '94 440 XCR with the red top motor. The sled has been running and usable since I've had it, but it fouls plugs really quickly and seems to be running pig rich at idle (lots of smoke). I've recently been looking into it and I've discovered that in trying to adjust idle speed, once the idle screws are turned in to a certain point the idle simply runs away up to 3-4k RPM and stays there until I back one or more out, at which point the idle returns to 1400 or so. I can't adjust it upwards of that without it racing high and staying there. I made sure the choke cables were adjusted to specified 1/16" freeplay but it made no difference to the apparent rich running condition. I should also be clear that I'm not certain whether the rich running is fuel or oil related at this point, but my best guess is fuel.

Next step seems to be to pull the carbs and clean them, then check oiler setting. Anything specific that these symptoms point to? I'm new to carbs and any help is appreciated. Also, apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. I searched through the forum for awhile but didn't see this exact combo of running conditions mentioned. Thanks!


Indy 440 XCR Special Idle and Rich Running Issues

Gas tank, air box, Carb removal, NEWBIE

Hey everyone. Im brand new to the sled world and working on anything mechanically so please excuse my ignorance and any stupid questions. I purchased a 1987 phazer with only 1100 miles on it. Compression test was 145 both sides and ran pretty good. The guy selling it said it has been sitting for a year so a good carb cleaning should be done. I have the seat currently removed as that also will be getting a new cover. I have read that loosening the gas tank and sliding it back may give room for the air box to move a touch and add to easier carb removal. Is this true? Im also leary of removing the cables and tubes going to the carb. Will fuel be everywhere? Does a 87 have a fuel shut off i need to know about? Also I am having a hard time removing some screws in the process that seem to be not only rusty but a few seem to be stripped. Whats the best way to remove those? Theres 3 of them right on top of that rail holding the carbs...PB blaster didnt work and im afraid to strip them worse in case there is a better solution. Also whats the black rubber box right in front of the carbs? can i pull that off?


Gas tank, air box, Carb removal, NEWBIE

2006 panther 440 bogs warm

hey everyone, got a sled again after a few years.. like the title says, it bogs when warm..its a 440 fan cooled twin carb

im trying to reach the previous owner on when did he do the carbs..

heres how it went down , first ride on it.. started the sled and let it warm up for 5 or 7 minutes. it idled with no choke since it was in a heated garage. then i went to the other end of the street at 75% throttle or so.. about 500 feet done and slowing down the bogging started.. as it was about to bog to stall i flipped the choke to see and it came back alive snd i was able to get back home.. when it stalled sgain in my driveway.. got the plugs out and heated them up with a torch a little ss they seemed wet.. but might have been my fault as i tried the primer....waited 5 10 minutes and got it started again..it would idle but wouldnt move..just bog. used the first notch on the choke again and got it inside the garage..

the plugs are new and the compression is at 120 on both sides... apparently it was rebuilt few years back..

what i found so is a choke cable on onr of the carbs was tighter...not loose when the choke is OFF..would a choke plunger on one side do this ??

what else am im missing?

thanks for the help


2006 panther 440 bogs warm

97 ZRT 600 Stator Rewind?

mardi 12 décembre 2017

My stator seems to be dying slowly. Testing about 15ohms under spec (was 30*f though).
Either way I would like to get a spare. Does anyone here rewind stators or know of someone who does? Or is it better to buy a used one, don’t really like buying used parts if I don’t have to.


97 ZRT 600 Stator Rewind?

crankcase drains 72- arctic cat 440

SOOO my saga with my 72 cheetah 440's continues. I got it running, few trips around the yard with just a splash of gas in it and she was purring. While it was idling I filled the gas tank up to about half and it started to sputter and died. i cranked it over but not even a pop. Great spark and compression. I think that ole walbro filled the crank case on that 440 full of gas. I looked forcrankcase drains and didnrt see any unless they are behind the exhaust and electric start. I rebuilt the carb and now with NO GAS LINES hooked to it this is what I do...
Turn it over with no plugs until the gas plume from the cylinders stops.
If I then just put plugs in it and turn it over, they stay dry and doesnt pop at all.
If I spray just a fine mist into each cylinder head and then put the plugs in. It would pop once or twice and then nothing.
When I take the plugs out they are soaked and I leave them out and turn it over until the plume goes away and then i go thru it again.
I have done this 20-30 times... The popping has turned into almost a rumble but no idle ... yet
Could it be there is a pocket of gas in its crankcase and only gets lifted up on top of the cylinders and floods only when it pops and tries to run?
any experience or direction will be appreciated...
Thanks... a vintage rookie


crankcase drains 72- arctic cat 440

2005 GSX 380 Off-Idle / Low end Bog

First off, please don't suggest I clean carbs or change carb settings until you read what has been tried.

Here goes:
Two years ago we bought the sled (used of course, odo read 5000km but could be 15k?) and it's had the same problem ever since - it's boggy, slow to build revs off idle and doesn't build good power until the mid range. Above that it runs fine. My first thought was old gas or plugged pilot jets.
At the best of times it'll build revs reluctantly until the midrange kicks in and it takes off. If I didn't have other 380s to put it beside, I might believe it was running ok. But compared to the 96 and 97 machines we've got, it runs like crap in the bottom end and something is obviously not right.

We've blown the top end on it twice, both times the PTO cylinder overheated and looked to be running lean. That side has always read leaner on the spark plug and I've adjusted the needle clip to try to compensate. The second time the top end let go (disintegrated piston), we went up a size on the pistons, re-sleeved the PTO side and fresh bore on both, and we rebuilt the bottom end too, with all new bearings and seals, since I hadn't ruled out leaky crank seals beyond doing a leak down test (which passed and proved to hold pressure but not necessarily vacuum, and didn't prove that the centre crank seal was ok).

I'm not so concerned about the top end blowing - that's something I can compensate for with carb settings, unless the underlying cause of the bog is causing that too. My goal is to get it to run right at low RPM.

Here are the other things we've done. The basic bog problem has never, ever disappeared through trying all this:

Intake/Fuel/Motor
-Made sure the airbox and intake are clean and clear. New airbox.
-Cleaned the carbs, replaced pilot jets, needles and seats. Sync idle, set needle clips and air screws to factory settings
-Put complete carbs from a '97 formula S 380 on it (that sled lifts the skis off idle) and it ran exactly the same.
-Put complete carbs, including slides and needles from a '96 Touring E 380 on it, and it ran exactly the same.
-Cut out the restrictors on the boots between the carb and motor.
-New top and bottom end, all new bearings, gaskets and seals. Leakdown test passed perfectly prior to rebuild. I put the whole motor underwater and not a single bubble after 5 minutes at 5-6 PSI. Compression still seems a bit low - 105 to 110 PSI both sides
-Replaced fuel pump and fuel filter
-Pressure tested fuel system at 4-6 PSI when running. Pressure tested carbs - needles and seats held at 15 PSI.
-Blew compressed air through expansion chamber and muffler (separately). All clear.

Electrical
-New stator
-Swapped CDI from good running sled (a 2005 GSX 550 I believe)
-New wires, caps and plugs
-Checked every wire on the sled for shorts and bad grounds, though I will admit wiring isn't my strong point and I may not have done a perfect job of this.
-Unplugged everything that wasn't required for the sled to run, including all handlebar mounted items, lights, etc
-Added ground wires from motor to frame and main ground circuit to frame
-Had the sled to a skilled small engine shop. They did the bottom end rebuild, CDI swap and checked spark current - test ok. They cut out the carb boot restrictors and thought they solved the problem. But it didn't change a thing.

Drive
-Tried multiple settings, different belts and primary clutches, new clutch spring, wondering if the drivetrain was taking too much power off the motor too early. In the end, even with belt and primary clutch removed, it's still boggy and slow to build RPMs off idle.

I'm probably missing a bunch of things too.

I think we've ruled out drive. I want to say we've ruled out intake/carburetion with the new components and known good carbs. I know it seems like a carb issue at first thought but we've had 3 sets of carbs on the thing and it runs the same every time. The other sleds that the carbs are from run just fine and I don't think they changed the 380 motor so much from mid 90s to mid 2000s that it would be so picky.

Electrical doesn't seem like the problem if the spark current is good and components are new/swapped. Unless their test was faulty - is it possible for a spark to be weaker at low RPM? Can a CDI cause this issue?
One thing that's fishy is that the timing mark on the flywheel does not line up with the mark on the case at TDC. It's probably 30-40 degrees out. It's a ducati flywheel which is the stock make, and it's keyed in place so there's no adjusting timing. Is it possible that either the flywheel or crankshaft are not stock, and its timing is off? Would wrong timing cause it to run poorly at low RPM, but run fine at idle AND at mid/top end?
Are there any other components that could be non-stock on the machine that could cause the bog issue? Wrong exhaust pipe or something silly like that?

I've sent this list to my local Ski-Doo dealer. They get great reviews online and have a mechanic who's been there for 30 years. They won't touch the thing for fear they'll try the same things I have and not solve the problem. Can't say as I blame them, but I'm trying to get them to take it anyway just in case their experience leads them somewhere that I've missed. My only other option is to buy another one and start swapping parts. But I'm not too keen on spending another 40+hours wrenching on it if I can get some expert advice and be more targeted with my effort. Everyone tells me to sell it, but I've never ridden a sled that handles so light and predictably. It's the perfect sled for my wife. Plus, the more I fail to solve the problem, the more curious I get about what's really causing it. I won't give up til this thing runs right!!

Huge thanks to anyone who read through this far! And many more if anyone has any ideas that doesn't involve carb cleaner and sticking wires through old pilot jets :nerd:


2005 GSX 380 Off-Idle / Low end Bog
 

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